In this episode, Amanda and Luke interview Tracy Walder, a former CIA officer and FBI special agent, who shares her unique career path and insights into the world of intelligence and national security. Tracy discusses her transition from the CIA to the FBI, the importance of soft skills in the intelligence field, and the evolving threats in national security, particularly in cybersecurity. She also provides a glimpse into her day-to-day life in the CIA and the significance of building trust in intelligence gathering. Finally, Tracy talks about her book, 'The Unexpected Spy,' which offers a narrative approach to her experiences in the intelligence community. In this conversation, Tracy Walder shares her experiences transitioning from the CIA to the FBI, discussing the challenges she faced, particularly as a woman in a male-dominated field. She reflects on the cultural differences between the two agencies, the sexism she encountered, and the leadership lessons she learned throughout her career. Tracy emphasizes the importance of listening as a leadership skill and encourages aspiring professionals to take the first step in pursuing careers in intelligence and law enforcement. She also shares her current projects and the significance of representation in national security roles.